Which team has a greater chance to sign a quality quarterback prospect, the Giants or the Vikings?
As Chris Pflum reported, the Minnesota Vikings obtaining a second first-round pick and the Los Angeles Chargers trading wide receiver Keenan Allen after cutting his teammate Mike Williams the day before have complicated the situation for the New York Giants trying to select one of the top quarterback prospects in the 2024 NFL Draft.
Which team has a better advantage to go “get their guy” next month—the Giants or the Vikings? Drew Lock is (assumed to be) “not their guy” Let’s examine the information that trade value calculators can provide based on the nature of the trading partner.
For the Giants and Vikings, this is probably the best option because the three players ranked as the top prospects—Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, and Jayden Daniels—are generally seen to be better than J.J. McCarthy, but opinions vary. Getting access to at least one of the three is guaranteed when trading with the New England Patriots Naturally, it’s also the most expensive The Joseph Jefe trade value calculator states the following:
This is arguably the best choice for the Giants and Vikings because, despite differing perspectives, the three players listed as the top prospects—Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, and Jayden Daniels—are generally seen to be superior than J.J. McCarthy Trading with the New England Patriots guarantees access to at least one of the three It’s also the priciest, of course The following is stated by the Joseph Jefe trade value calculator:
The calculator determines which side received the higher value (green) in the transaction by utilizing various trade value charts Jimmy Johnson created the original chart, which largely overvalues high selections However, when it comes to quarterbacks, everyone overvalues extremely high selections, even though it’s uncertain which of the best quarterback prospects will develop into outstanding NFL players As you can see, the JJ chart is the only one that indicates that the two picks that either team offered the Patriots were insufficient0 The two picks are more than sufficient to benefit the Patriots, according to all other charts, which are based on evidence of results in one way or another.
Let’s assume that the Patriots have an advantage over the other team with both picks, to the extent that New England receives an excess value pick in the late second or late third round.
Another significant finding from the charts is that the value of the Giants’ No. 6 and No. 47 picks is nearly equal to that of Minnesota’s No. 11 and No. 23 picks This means that the advantage of trading with one partner over the other is only marginally different, and in different directions, for each trade value chart. This means that regardless of whatever trade value chart the Patriots themselves are driven by, the final deal will likely rely on how much more each team is prepared to “sweeten the pot.”Given how uncertain their quarterback position is, given the uncertainty surrounding the Giants and Vikings, New England might not be a viable trade partner. It might be best for them to just wait and select one of the top three. In that instance, a lot will depend on if NFL teams truly believe that J.J. McCarthy is capable of much more than what he demonstrated in Jim Harbaugh’s offense at Michigan, as evidenced by his recent ascent on huge boards.It also relies on if one of the top three clubs in the draft is less impressed than anticipated with a talent who is regarded as one of the top three prospects overall. Assume that the Arizona Cardinals will succeed with Kyler Murray in 2024 and that the Giants or Vikings will select a quarterback at No. 4—whoever that quarterback may be. The trade value charts for a trade-up to No. 4 are as follows:Even the Jimmy Johnson chart now concedes that the trading-down team would benefit greatly from a simple swap of No. 4 for either No. 6 and No. 47, or No. 11 and No. 23. Adding a second pick is therefore not necessary in theory, with the possible exception that if two teams are vying for a higher pick, the team with the greater offer might prevail. Later, more on it
The outcome is more favorable to the trade-down side and is comparable to a trade-up to No. 4 in all trade value tables. It is also comparable to receiving an additional second-round pick.
Selecting a team to trade with involves taking into account additional factors. For example, the Giants have more high round trade capital (picks No. 70, 107) than the Vikings (No. 108, 129), and there’s always the possibility of 2025 draft picks being involved. In the event that the Giants and Vikings engage in a bidding war, players may also be traded. Trade value tables, which as demonstrated above suggest that an offer of the top two selections by any side is already manifestly fair, cannot evaluate any of it.But the Giants have one advantage over the Vikings in terms of trade partners—not just that they have a better first-round pick than Minnesota, but also what that means in this specific draft and how that fits in with the requirements of the possible trade-down partners. It’s all in this tweet:
Rondale Moore and Hollywood Brown are gone from the Cardinals (not that they were all that terrific). Keenan Allen and Mike Williams are gone from the Chargers, and 2023 rookie Quentin Johnston let them down. It has been years since the Patriots had a truly great wide receiver.
Coincidentally, there are three WRs in this draft that are thought to be great and should be selected in the top 6–8 picks. If you trade down to the Giants, one of those WRs is almost certainly yours. If you trade down with Minnesota, your wide receiver will most likely come from the second round of prospects.Naturally, Minnesota might make a major move and be prepared to give away top-5 NFL wide receiver Justin Jefferson in exchange. There would be no rebuttal to that from Joe Schoen. The issue is that Jefferson, who is in the last year of his rookie deal, allegedly declined the Vikings’ offer of an extension worth $30 million annually. It is preferable to go with a rookie who could be exceptional at a much lower cost.As a result, the Giants have a clear advantage over Minnesota and some negotiating power in trade talks. So much so, I suppose, that should the Giants make a decent offer, a trading partner might decide not to deal with Minnesota. Although supporters bemoan the Giants’ failure to finish in the top three despite their winning record in the second half of the previous campaign, finishing in the top six might ultimately mean the difference.The number of elite quarterback prospects that the Giants would be willing to move up for is unknown. In particular, would they consider it worth using draft capital to get McCarthy if he is the only player available at No. 4 or No. 5, or would they be better off trading up to No. 3 for one of the other candidates? Additionally, even though the Giants and Chargers might have discussed a trade in the past, they probably wouldn’t want to actually carry it out until they knew that one of the Giants’ preferred quarterbacks and one of the Chargers’ preferred wide receivers had made it to the fifth pick. As a result, any such trade would have to wait until draft day, when the Chargers would be under pressure.
We’ll know the answers to these queries if and when the Giants trade, but it might take some time.
The Giants would be left without a second round pick in the event of a trade-up, as they had already forfeited No. 39 in the Brian Burns transaction.In order to find out which wide receivers would be available at No. 70 in the third round, I attempted this in three separate mock draft simulators. They all let me exchange Nos. 6 and 47 to get No. 5, which is my current position. To make it a fair deal for me, one (the NFL Mock Draft Database) even forced me to accept multiple low round selections from the Chargers; but, as I’ve said before, trading up for a quarterback is all about getting the best offer. At No. 70, Xavier Legette was the best wide receiver available twice; Devontez Walker was the top one once. Giants fans, would it be worth it to add one of those receivers in addition to one of the top four quarterbacks.
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